The Last Pope!

D INTERVIEWWITH FATHER PAUL KRAMER 

Interview with Father Kramer The Fatima Crusader (FC): Why do you think the Third Secret of Fatima reveals even more than the apostasy in the Church “beginning at the top,” as Cardinal Ciappi revealed? Father Kramer: First of all, the Third Secret “vision” published by the Vatican in June of 2000 reveals a material as well as a spiritual catastrophe: slain bishops, priests, religious and laity, a half-ruined city, and the Pope being executed by soldiers at the foot of a large wooden cross outside that half-ruined city. Let us recall Cardinal Ratzinger’s (now Pope Benedict XVI) revealing 1984 interview in Jesus magazine in which he discussed the Third Secret, which he acknowledged he had read. In that interview the Cardinal revealed more than perhaps he intended. He connected three elements together: the Third Secret, Sacred Scripture and other Marian apparitions approved by the Church as authentic. As he said in 1984 — and I quote him exactly — “the things contained in this ‘Third Secret’ correspond to what has been announced in Scripture, and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions ...” So, there can be no doubt, we have it from the currently reigning Pope’s own mouth, that what is in the Third Secret corresponds to what is in Scripture and also to what has been revealed again and again in other Marian apparitions. That is our key. Now, it is obvious that the vision of “the bishop dressed in white” is far from explicit enough to contain all by itself — without any explanatory words of the Virgin Mary — the elements of Sacred Scripture and the “many other Marian apparitions” the current Pope alluded to when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger. Indeed, none of the recognized Marian apparitions involves a vision of the Pope being executed outside a half- ruined city. So, already we know that something major is missing from the Vatican’s June 2000 disclosure. FC: But where do we go to find what is missing? Father Kramer: We begin our search by studying what others who have read the Third Secret have said about it, and they have given us some very telling clues. For example, the late Malachi Martin read the Secret. I heard the story told by one of his close personal friends. One day in 1960 Martin, who was then personal secretary to Cardinal Bea in Rome, found himself riding in a car with Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Bea. So there were four men present in the car: the driver, Pope John, Cardinal Bea and Malachi Martin. Now, since Malachi Martin was personal secretary to Cardinal Bea and was also a close collaborator with John XXIII, it was hardly surprising that Malachi found himself in this position. And during this car ride Pope John himself, on that day in 1960, handed the Secret to Malachi. It was written on one sheet of paper — not the four sheets of paper produced by the Vatican in 2000. Malachi read the Secret immediately, and on many occasions thereafter he spoke of the Third Secret even though he was under oath not to divulge explicitly its contents. But when other people touched upon matters in the Secret he would say yes or no,

whether that was in the Secret or not. FC: Can you provide an example of this?

Father Kramer: For example, in his last live interview in the late 1990’s on the Art Bell show, before millions of listeners, Malachi said that there is something terribly horrifying in the Third Secret, and he admitted that yes, there will be a world war and a great disaster in which many people will die. But, he added, there is something even more horrifying than this in the Secret, although he did not state explicitly what that was. [Editor’s Note: Father Kramer speaks more about this “horrifying thing” later in this interview.]

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