The Last Pope!

D INTERVIEWWITH FATHER PAUL KRAMER 

FC: We have long heard of statements by John Paul II in Fulda, Germany, in 1980 concerning the true contents of the Third Secret. What do you know of this? Father Kramer: Yes, Pope John Paul II did give us a clue as to what the contents are. In November 1980 he visited Germany at the Cathedral of Fulda, and there he spoke of the Third Secret to a small group. He was asked why the Secret had not yet been revealed, and he gave some answers. First, the Pope said it has not been revealed because with this knowledge comes responsibility and so many people just want to know for reasons of curiosity. So, in order to avoid sensationalism, he did not want to reveal the contents of the Third Secret. But then — and here we begin to see that the Secret involves even more than apostasy in the Church — he also said it is enough for you to know that entire regions of the earth will be inundated, with water overflowing large regions of the earth, and millions will die from one moment to the next. FC: Did the Pope say anything else at Fulda? Father Kramer: Yes, he said that another reason he did not want to reveal the Third Secret — and this was a key clue in my investigation of the question — is that he did not want to encourage the communists to take certain steps. Now what steps could he be referring to? Well, we can surmise very clearly that one thing that would encourage the communists is a revelation that they would win the World War that Malachi Martin referred to in the Art Bell interview. FC: But how do we know that the accounts of what the Pope said at Fulda are accurate? Father Kramer: Some people have questioned whether Pope John Paul II actually made those statements about the Third Secret at Fulda. But that objection cannot be sustained. First of all, there was a lady journalist who took down all the Holy Father’s words and published a transcript in a magazine called Stimme des Glaubens [Voice of Faith]. The Vatican has never questioned the accuracy of the quotations in that article. Then there was a second witness, a German priest, who also wrote down word for word what the Pope had said on that occasion. And afterwards he told the Pope he had done this and the Pope thanked him for it. Now, I speak and read German myself, and I read the German text prepared by the German priest when I was traveling near Fulda back in 1983. The Mother Superior of a German community of nuns showed me the text and it was identical to the text that had been published by the lady journalist. So, the German priest and the lady journalist gave identical testimony concerning what the Pope said at Fulda. So, either they took it down in shorthand or else had tape recorded the Pope’s address. But word-for-word the texts were identical. So, I don’t think there can be any serious challenge to the authenticity of the Pope’s remarks at Fulda. FC: But how do the Pope’s revelations at Fulda relate to Scripture and the other Marian apparitions referred to by Cardinal Ratzinger in 1984? Father Kramer: This is where the pieces of the Third Secret puzzle begin to fit together. First, as to the “other Marian apparitions” Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of, we have the approved Marian apparition of Our Lady of Good Success at Quito, Ecuador in 1634. In this apparition Our Lady warned of precisely what the Third Secret predicts: a great apostasy in the Church. Our Lady told Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres that in the late 19th Century and throughout most of the 20th Century the Church would yield to a

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